Re: Still clinking to Java?
- From: Kenny Tilton <ktilton@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:53:39 GMT
Edi Weitz wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:05:16 GMT, Kenny Tilton <ktilton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
verec wrote:
As a matter of fact, I do have LispWorks. And OpenMCL. - their "IDE" is a joke. Period.
Agreed.
Kenny, could you please stop denigrating other Lisp implementations
I gave my opinion. Others have given theirs. What is the hard part?
while you're on your childish crusade for AllegroCL?
I honestly consider AllegroCL to be far superior to every other Lisp IDE (but with commercial MCL as a bearable silver medalist), and people come here for help with Lisp development, so I tell them the best IDE.
This is in the same spirit as helping struggling in-line skaters in Central Park. I love skating and want them to enjoy it, too, not struggle needlessly (and perilously) when ten minutes of pointers can move them well down the path to happy skating.
ie, the crusade is to help other developers, not Franz. Likewise with Lisp advocacy in general. Or are you in the Graham School of keeping good tools to yourself as a competitive advantage?
I'm pretty sure this won't be helpful - neither for CL in general nor for Franz in particular.
The only problem is when folks such as yourself misconstrue my praise for the ACL IDE as anything other than an honest appraisal by a solid Lispnik who has probably written more, harder Lisp than anyone else on this NG. (Dinosaurs like Joe might give me a run for my money, tho.)
The last person upset by my praise for ACL like you ignored the facts of the matter and resorted to personal defamation. My response was (mostly) to list the features of ACL I like, including mostly that they are all so well integrated. Google it. Try "paid shill".
I respond with facts about ACL because I am not the issue. ACL rocks, get over it. Or, more accurately, the other IDEs suck and they could easily be improved, so I think your recommendation that we all toe the party line and pretend everything is wonderful in Lispland is a big mistake that only hinders needed progress. How much energy going into Slime (and McCLIM) comes from people trying to shut me up? Bingo.
btw, the only thing I have heard from Franz was a backchannel leak that the folks in sales wish I would stop adding "Others here swear by Lispworks" to my ACL recommendations. But, hey, they are in sales.
You used to write something interesting or at least funny on c.l.l every now and then but in the last months I've only seen hogwash coming from your direction.
You're just mad because you forgot about apropos when someone came here looking for something like apropos. :)
peace. out.
-- Kenny
Why Lisp? http://wiki.alu.org/RtL_Highlight_Film
"I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it."
Elwood P. Dowd, "Harvey", 1950
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