Re: Lisp is Sin

Sam Steingold <sds@xxxxxxx> writes:

>> * Majorinc, Kazimir <snyfr@xxxxxxxxx> [2006-01-16 21:56:19 +0100]:
>>
>> I think that Lisp has same problems like communism, christianity or
>> sport; they were built around good idea, but with time it turned that
>> people around these ideas prefer power over solidarity, salvation over
>> love, glory over healthy mind in the healthy body.
>
> I think you know _nothing_ about communism.
> I suggest that you start with http://www.podval.org/~sds/commies.html

Or perhaps it is you does not understand that there are people who
define 'communism' differently from the authoritarian and violent
agenda promulgated by Marx, Lenin, Stalin et al. According to your
view there could be no such thing as anarchistic communism, but there
is, which shows that your view is not entirely complete or balanced as
to what 'communism' is exactly.

If you define 'communism' as 'authoritarian communism', as brought to
you by the great "communists" of the past, then it is indeed an
abomination. Social structures built upon authoritarian principles,
coercion and oppression (such as our society, by the way) are
illegitimate. The only legitimate communism is free, anarchistic
communism in which people participate free of any coercion.

David

--

David Trudgett
http://www.zeta.org.au/~wpower/

"We are convinced that freedom without Socialism is privilege and
injustice, and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and
brutality."

-- The Political Philosophy of Bakunin, p. 269

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