Re: Lisp is Sin

In article <m34q42z8x5.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
David Trudgett <wpower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Or perhaps it is you does not understand that there are people who
> define 'communism' differently from the authoritarian and violent
> agenda promulgated by Marx, Lenin, Stalin et al.

I'm not sure that Marx and Lenin *intended* authoritarian and violent
results, although those were the natural consequences of their
philosophy.


> According to your view there could be no such thing as anarchistic
> communism, but there is, which shows that your view is not entirely
> complete or balanced as to what 'communism' is exactly.

There is? In theory or in practise?


> If you define 'communism' as 'authoritarian communism', as brought to
> you by the great "communists" of the past, then it is indeed an
> abomination. Social structures built upon authoritarian principles,
> coercion and oppression (such as our society, by the way) are
> illegitimate.

I'm with you there.


> The only legitimate communism is free, anarchistic
> communism in which people participate free of any coercion.

Does this exist anywhere in any group larger than a hippie commune?

All those I've seen (and there were three within about 10 km radius of
the farm I grew up on in the 60's and 70's and several of my teachers
and some of my school friends lived in them) had one strong and
charismatic leader. I don't think that scales becuase eventualyl the
leader needs several layers of deputies and soon enough the deputies
become thugs.

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