Re: How Common Lisp sucks

Ron Garret <rNOSPAMon@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

In article <1145306165.924059.107740@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Erik Enge" <erik.enge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ron,

Where's your proposed solution?

I don't have one. I'm still at the stage of trying to convince people
that there is a problem.

Pissing on people's legs to get their attention is rarely a great way
of convincing them to change. Stop alienating yourself if you want to
bring some value into the community.

Sorry, I don't accept the proposition that pointing out problems equates
to "pissing on people's legs." That's one of the problems with CL. The
community has this
you're-either-with-us-or-you're-with-the-Perl-terrorists point of view.
This is an impediment to progress (and not just in the realm of
programming languages).

rg

The problem with this is that pointing out problems doesn't create
progress - it just points out problems. To get progress, you need to
do both - point out problems and propose a solution to resolve the
problem. Your solution might get ripped apart, but that IMO is
progress because now people are thinking about the solution and not
just hearing yet another list of problems which get repeated with
monotonous regularity in this group.

I also think pointing out problems is easy and lazy - I can sit all
day pointing out problems about the world, but it has absolutely no
impact and really costs me nothing in effort. Trying to also suggest
constructive annd practicle solutions is much more difficult and I
think a far more worthy effort.

Tim

--
tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au
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