Re: Someone explain (Mc)Clim to me as if I were 5 years old



David Lichteblau wrote:
On 2006-10-26, Ken Tilton <kentilton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The one you want is Cello, now based on Tk/Tcl and OpenGL. Full event stream, true callbacks, access to the many Tk/Tcl libs, and terrific portability (of more than just the native look/feel GUI -- sockets, threads, file manager services, the whole Tcl language really.


Usenet: Where others tell me what I want.

Seriously, both cells-gtk and Cello sound like something worth looking
at for someone interested in "normal" graphical user interfaces.

But perhaps I also like CLIM, now based on GTK+ and Cairo.

Now yer talkin. But to get native look/feel you want Tk, not GTK+, unless that is finally available in 2.0 form on Mac OS X. of course I see your definition of portable means moving something between HDs on the same Linux system, but if we are talking about Real Use and "Lisp GUI", well, these monosystemic hacks don't even make the cut.

How about constraints? Any serious GUI has to offer GUI constraints these days.

Finally, even McCLIM defenders admit it has a nasty learning curve. What went wrong? Productivity tools are supposed to move us along on projects, not stop us cold.

kt


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