Re: if Clisp is so good where are the commonly used apps?



On Nov 14, 1:11 am, Tim X <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"gavino" <booti...@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
goose wrote:
gavino wrote:
arnuld wrote:
gavino wrote:
What commonly used apps are built in Clisp?

if Windows is a crap why Microsoft has a monoply?

-- arnuld
Microsoft can't be a monopoly, the government doesn't outlaw
alternatives.

They're a convicted monopolist on two continents.

Just because only one followed through on punishment
does not make them any less convicted.

goose,
And OJ simpson went free, th courts tried to make Al Ogre president
illegally, so whats up?irrelevant and clumsy attempt to raise emotions to defend an
indefensible position. At least your consistent.

Microsoft can't be a monopoly by definition. A monopoly is when a
government says no one can legally sell product x except for
organization y. You can run linux mac bsd qnx beos gremlinos eros
etcetc etc etc. and boom u can forget microsoft. So its not a
monopoly. Sorryyryryyy.Rubbish.

If that were the case, why would the US have its anti-trust
legislation?

There is nothing in the definition of monopoly which requires that the
government establish or protect an entity in order for a monopoly to
exist. Monopolies have existed without government support in the past
and will likely exist in the future. In fact, it would appear the
legal definition of monopoly is even less restrictive in that it also
encompasses more than a single provider (see below).

However, to be technically correct (in an economics definition),
Microsoft is probably more accurately categorised as an oligopoly
which will use whatever means it can to increase its market dominance
with the ultimate (and probably unobtainable goal due to government
legislation) of becoming a monopoly. Regardless of precise
definitions, there is certainly plenty of concern/questions regarding
MS's unethical and/or immoral business activities which have no other
apparent benefit or motivation other than to increase its control of
the market by eliminating existing competitors and creating barriers
for new competitors who want to enter the market. These concerns are
reflected in the anti-trust cases against MS and further supported by
reports of dodgy activity such as underwriting SCO and its case
against IBM et. al.

I prefer to accept the ruling of the legal systems of two different
continents over your understanding, but lets see what a dictionary
lookup gives us ...

1 definition found

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

oligopoly
n : (economics) a market in which control over the supply of a
commodity is in the hands of a small number of producers
and each one can influence prices and affect competitors
4 definitions found

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Monopoly \Mo*nop"o*ly\, n.; pl. {Monopolies}. [L. monopolium,
Gr. ?, ?; mo`nos alone + ? to sell.]
1. The exclusive power, or privilege of selling a commodity;
the exclusive power, right, or privilege of dealing in
some article, or of trading in some market; sole command
of the traffic in anything, however obtained; as, the
proprietor of a patented article is given a monopoly of
its sale for a limited time; chartered trading companies
have sometimes had a monopoly of trade with remote
regions; a combination of traders may get a monopoly of a
particular product.
[1913 Webster]

Raleigh held a monopoly of cards, Essex a monopoly
of sweet wines. --Macaulay.
[1913 Webster]

2. Exclusive possession; as, a monopoly of land.
[1913 Webster]

If I had a monopoly out, they would have part on 't.
--Shak.
[1913 Webster]

3. The commodity or other material thing to which the
monopoly relates; as, tobacco is a monopoly in France.
[Colloq.]
[1913 Webster]

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

monopoly
n 1: (economics) a market in which there are many buyers but only
one seller; "a monopoly on silver"; "when you have a
monopoly you can ask any price you like"
2: exclusive control or possession of something; "They have no
monopoly on intelligence"
3: a board game in which players try to gain a monopoly on real
estate as pieces advance around the board according to the
throw of a die

From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 [moby-thes]:

54 Moby Thesaurus words for "monopoly":
a corner on, arrest, arrestation, bear raid, bull raid, cartel,
check, consortium, constraint, control, cooling, cooling down,
cooling off, copyright, corner, corner in, cornering, curb,
curtailment, deceleration, engrossment, exclusive possession,
forestallment, hindrance, inhibition, injunction, interdict,
legal restraint, manipulation, monopolization, ownership, pool,
possessorship, prohibition, proprietorship, protection,
protectionism, protective tariff, raid, rationing, rein, restraint,
restraint of trade, retardation, retrenchment, rigging,
self-control, slowing down, syndicate, tariff wall,
thought control, trust, wash sale, washing

From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) [bouvier]:

MONOPOLY, commercial law. This word has various significations. 1. It is the
abuse of free commerce by which one or more individuals have procured the
advantage of selling alone all of a particular kind of merchandise, to the
detriment of the public.
2.-2. All combinations among merchants to raise the price of
merchandise to the injury of the public, is also said to be a monopoly.
3.-3. A monopoly is also an institution or allowance by a grant from
the sovereign power of a state, by commission, letters patent, or otherwise,
to any person, or corporation, by which the exclusive right of buying,
selling, making, working, or using anything, is given. Bac. Abr. h.t.; 3
Inst. 181.
4. The constitutions of Maryland, North Carolina, and Tennessee,
declare that "monopolies are contrary to the genius of a free government,
and ought not to be allowed." Vide art. Copyright; Patent.

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law?
*** that
I'm an economics major.
Many communist lawyer get bull*** laws like this on the books.
A monopoly is when competition is not legal EG the state gives 1 seller
the license
MICROSOFT HAS NO SUCH GRANT FROM GOVERNEMENT

Microsoft is a COMPETITIVE WINNER

This does not mean they are better but that they SELL better

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