Re: Is CMUCL insane? P.S. Me vs. CLM (Common Lisp Music)

First off let me say thanks for the fast replys!

My reply to Tim:

Tim said: "How easy do you think it would be to compile, say, gcc,
without a
working gcc? Or to build Windows without a working version of Windows.
The more interesting question is: why are you trying to compile CMUCL?"

I am not trying to compile it on windows. I am using Cygwin (which I
assume is a linux emulator of some sort) and I couldn't find any binary
versions of it so I got the tar ball which only had source. If there
is a linux/unix binary that works under cygwin then great I will use
that but I didn't see one.

The windows comment I think is a bad analogy as windows is an operating
system. CMUCL is not. I guess my grumbly rant's point is that...
let's assume I use Linux and not an emulator here... what is so wrong
with an installation executable? Are linux people allergic to it? Why
use cvs and tar and builds etc? I apologize if I am making a faulty
assumption... perhaps the reason for my difficulties is that I am using
an emulator of linux and not linux itself.

My reply to Ken:
Thanks for the mailing list info. I signed up for it yesterday though,
but I do appreciate you passing it along. I would have posted there
today but the whole "CMUCL needs CMUCL" thing seemed better placed in a
more general forum like this one. I will try not to spend the money
too fast once I cash your check. Is it okay if I add an extra zero?

My reply to Rob:

Thanks for the info on GNU-PLOT but if I am under cygwin shouldn't it
work right off? Or am I missing something? I certainly may be since I
have no idea what I am doing. As for the compiling thing, see my reply
to Tim above. My problem is that CLM is fussy and seems not to want to
run under windows directly so I am trying to sneak in the back door by
running it under a linux emulator (CYGWIN) which is turning out to be
just as difficult and unsucessful. Plus I am stubborn and now that I
can't get CMUCL working I want to just because.


On Jan 25, 10:47 am, "Rob Thorpe" <rtho...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 25, 2:39 pm, "landspeedrecord" <landspeedrec...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi again. My real goal is to get CLM/CM working on windows XP. If any
one has gotten it to work I would love to know how and then the rest of
this post is irrelevant.

I gave up trying to do it through allegro/lispbox directly. It seems
there were lots of problems with packages and/or pathnames needing \
and getting / instead. Since I am a noob I gave up on that pretty
fast.

My next try was with cygwin/clisp. I got to the point where CM (common
music) loaded up with only one error (a problem with something called
GNU-PLOT) but CLM still wouldn't load up without multiple errors. Also
most of the other packages that work with CM wouldn't load either. The
only one that worked was CFFI, whatever that is.GNUPLOT is a separate program for graph-plotting it has been ported to
Windows but would have to be installed separately.
Cliki (http://www.cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20Music) indicates that
Common Lisp music only works with Allegro CL or Clisp on Windows. I
have no idea how to install it though. I assume if you're asking here
then the manual is no help.

So I figured I would try using CMUCL instead of CLISP since it is the
version of lisp that allows the most CM
packages/applications/extensions to be used.

Which brings me to my question. CMUCL needs a working version of CMUCL
to create a working version of CMUCL? Am I right here? I can't be
right. That is INSANE. I tried something called cross-compilation
using CLISP which got halfway through and then failed. What is going
on here? I mean... there has got to be a simpler way right?It's generally the same with C compilers since they're written in C,
just as
Lisp compilers are written in lisp. That's why both are often
distributed as binaries.
The reason you haven't found one for CMUCL is that it doesn't support
Windows.

<grumpy ranting snipped>

What I can tell you is that the Lisps that work on windows are SBCL,
Clisp, ECL and GCL.
All provide executable downloads from their websites that require no
building from source.

.

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