socially challenged???!!??
- From: Rainer Joswig <joswig@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:32:21 +0200
In article <1183401180.727114.227210@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
jimbokun@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 2, 3:24 am, Slobodan Blazeski <slobodan.blaze...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
There's many libraries that are relatively easy to find and
install,iterate, series, cells, qi....For a lot of the other mentioned
there is a library already ready to use or code exist or as in call/cc
feature is questionable, some like it some believe it doesn't worth.
So you already have a most powerfull toolbox from any other
lanaguages, you only need to build with it.
The only thing that I really believe that lisp is missing is erlang/
termite like concurrency, but time will tell.
For now we only need more apps written in it.
I work at a university, and just out of curiosity I sat in on a talk
given by young Apple employees to CS students considering applying
there for internships or jobs.
In response to a question about how to present one's self in an
interview at Apple, one of the speakers replied (paraphrase) "Whatever
you do, don't say Mac OS X is perfect. If you can't find anything
wrong with it, how could you possibly have any chance of making it
better?"
I think that would be a healthy attitude to take towards Lisp, or,
frankly, anything else you like. If you think you have found any
piece of utopia on this Earth, you are probably either deceiving
yourself or need to raise your standards.
Now, to your credit, you do mention the concurrency thing. But do you
really think there is nothing else that could make Lisp better?
And with the reliance on the idea that "you can always add that as a
library" you come close to the Godwin's Law of Referencing Turing
Completeness [1].
To avoid hypocrisy, here are some criticisms I made about Lisp:
http://programming.reddit.com/info/1z8b8/comments/c1zbmr
These are more criticisms of Common Lisp culture and community, and I
think most of the weaknesses of Common Lisp reside there as opposed to
something in or not in the text of the standard itself.
I find your remarks very unfriendly. I find your posting
shows that you might yourself be socially challenged.
I'm a long time here at
comp.lang.lisp and I have seen a lot of very friendly
people (plus the usual dose of idiots). Even though the
Lisp community is very diverse, there are lots of helpful
people here. Ask a question and often you get very good answers.
If somebody trolls, wants to cheat with his tests
in the school or the university, asks questions where
answers can easily be googled or faqed, then one might get
an unwanted reply. Sometimes there are more specific
mailing lists or newgroups one should use to find answers.
People will get pointers.
comp.lang.lisp has improved on the signal-to-noise ratio.
I'd like to get better not worse.
Sometimes Lisp attracts people with very strange ideas.
They may look at Lisp as one of the few tools that
could be able to express their ideas in computational
terms. At one point programming gene-like algorithms
with mutations could have looked strange. But then
came Koza and published a book about it using Lisp
for his research. This was a start of a new field
in computer science. Or Chaitin's work on
algorithmic information theory. Or Hofstadter's books.
All with strange Lisp stuff.
But fun and interesting.
Sorry, but your remarks are unfriendly and I will
killfile you.
-jimbo
[1] http://programming.reddit.com/info/21vs0/comments/c022160
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