Re: CLOS persistence

On Nov 14, 10:51 pm, D Herring <dherr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ken wrote:
uh-oh. Has Lisp open software proven that Franz is worth the <gasp>
price? [Cue the bolsheviks]

Devil's advocate: Or did overpriced Lisp software and hardware drive
a generation of developers to cheaper (free?) alternatives such as
C/C++/Perl/Python. Given that critical mass, open-source software
flourishes across the internet. I dare say that more high-quality
free software is developed in C/C++ than the total of Lisp software.

Lisp is still stuck where Unix was some 15 years ago: fragmented
camps competing for a small high-end market. HP-UX, SunOS, IRIX, ...
all trumped by MS Windows (and MacOS and Linux)!?! Franz should be
making money by developing cool Lisp apps for new customers, not by
charging others to use the language.

They have a good product, but
the market is speaking -- new developers are learning (a) the
languages already used by other software and (b) freely available
"trendy" languages where they see the opportunity to take personal
ownership. Lisp has issues in both categories.

I guess that makes me a Bolshevik.

- Daniel
No that makes you reluctant to solve problem, prefering whining
instead.
It reminds of the old story: " Teacher hates my child."
That's a problem. It might be that you child is a lazy pain in the
ass, or maybe it's teacher really hates it. So the question is what
you gonna do about it ? You could have a word with your kid if it's a
problem or contact the principal if it's a teacher fault. But whining
won't help at all. So are you able to convince Franz to give their
staff for free ? I doubt it . So you have a choice to use some free
lisp, would you mind to say why is sbcl inferior than python
implementation. Or you could switch to c+=/python/ ruby/ whatever.
And about Franz making apps for their customers and giving away ACL
for free you should read
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/SetYourPriorities.html

Slobodan
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