Re: Newbie FAQ #2: Where's the GUI?
- From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb+google@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 02:25:10 -0700 (PDT)
On Apr 3, 1:11 am, vanekl <va...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
OS.
Exaggerating much? No security? No permissions? If you're
suggesting that most of the windows security features are
bypassed by running as admin all the time, then I'd agree.
I think that's a good summary. My impression (based on reading at
some depth about NT, but not that much since) was that Windows has a
security model which puts all but quite recent Unices to shame, but
that people run with it effectively turned off almost all the time,
and most developers make that assumption)
It's amusing how hard it is to do things right. On my mac, the user I
log in as is not an admin user (an admin user being, in fact, just one
who has permission to sudo root), and it's interesting how many things
break in niggling ways because of that.
I believe the rise of the web app
has more to do with 1) piercing the corporate fire wall,
2) running software that doesn't require an install,
3) doesn't require administration, and 4) has a low
barrier to entry.
And likewise, I think that's a pretty good summary. In particular I
think you have to understand how important the "zero admin" thing is.
There is pretty much nothing I would less rather do than spend time
updating and managing some application, and I'm a professional SA so I
know most of the tricks (of course, it might be *because* I'm an SA
that I'm so unwilling to waste yet more of my life on this). And of
course, I also know what SAs cost, since I get to bill my time, and
it's pretty obvious that any organisation which is doing its sums
right will be busily trying to reduce their SA overhead, even if that
means slightly cruftier applications.
.
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