Re: Your success story
- From: Kaz Kylheku <kkylheku@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:31:10 +0000 (UTC)
On 2009-04-09, André Thieme <address.good.until.2009.may.11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
them. Every day 10-200 man hours of work are put into freely available
Clojure libs and tools.
Do you want to be relying on something that requires a daily investment of up
to 200 man-hours of some combination of new coding and debugging?
Nobody ever breaks interfaces or introduces bugs in 200 hours of hacking,
The other environments do not come close, even
when they are taken together.
I ideally want to be using an environment where close to zero man hours of work
are going on. Per year.
Thanks for playing.
Also Clojure offers tools to easily develop concurrent-ready applications.
Of course, those tools are available for all languages that run on the
JVM. But it's still the question how natural they are to use from other
languages. And if someone makes constantly use of those features, then
she could as well use the original.
ABCL was recently updated, but it seems that not 10 people spent
basically all their freetime to work on it (although I would find it
That appears more stable than Closure, but still a lot of churn.
Someone kindly post an announcement when an ABCL release introduces no
new features and fixes fewer than five bugs, all under a single
certainly very nice to have a very advanced CL compiler targetting the
JVM). On its front page it has big warnings about bugs and talks about
how slow it runs.
There are two kinds of projects: those which warn about bugs and performance
problems on their front page ... and dishonest projects run by liars.
ABCL is valuable because it implements an industry-standard dialect of Lisp on
the JVM. It may be the only reason some Lisp programmers would be even
remotely interested in the JVM. Count me in that set.
It seems these Lisps have a combined number of users which is about the
same that Clojure gets every week.
The best Clojure can hope for is to attract all existing Lisp programmers,
after which the number of new users will slow to a vanishingly slow trickle.
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