Re: open source php/mysql content management system
From: lawrence (lkrubner_at_geocities.com)
Date: 06/28/04
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Date: 27 Jun 2004 16:02:24 -0700
Jeffrey Silverman <jeffrey@jhu.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.06.17.17.02.36.990551@jhu.edu>...
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:15 -0700, lawrence wrote:
>
> > Go here:
> > http://publicpen.com/designer/mcControlPanel.php
> >
> >
> > You can use this info to get in:
> >
> > username: designer
> > password: designer123
> >
> >
> > Myself and two friends are working on some weblog/website software.
> > What I'm finding, when I show this to people, is that the interface
> > is not as intuitive as it could be. If someone has the time, it would
> > be great if you could log into this site and kick it around for
> > awhile, and then send me a report about what you found hard to
> > understand, and what, if
> > anything, you found easy to understand:
> >
> > http://publicpen.com/designer/mcControlPanel.php
> > username: designer
> > password: designer123
> >
> > This is a demo site so feel free to trash it. Whatever pages you
> > invent, the results report should give you a link so you can see the
> > page. If you add a weblog entry to the front page, go back out to that
> > page to see it:
> >
> > http://publicpen.com/designer/
> >
> >
> > Thanks a million to anyone who has the time or patience to user-test
> > this system. I know the interface is tough to get used to (which is
> > why we are trying to improve it).
Silverman, thanks so much for your feedback. Really terrific stuff. Do
you mind if I repost it on our site? It'll get lost and forgotten if I
leave on a newsgroup.
> 6) The management tool feels like it was designed by a committee saying
> "let's get all of the features that a modern CMS should have" but wihtout
> *really* sitting down and planning how to implement the features. The
> site feels un-planned and unfocused. 80% of a programming project should
> be planning and it feels like the coders just sat down and started banging
> this thing out.
In a sense, it was designed by committe, though not the normal kind.
The code grew out of various (quite diverse) freelance web design
projects that we did over the years, and different clients made
different demands on the software. Now we're trying to force all the
code to work together.
I also take the blame, personally, for being more interested in adding
new features than in making things stable.
Thanks for the very good feedback. I'll probably post again asking for
more feedback in a month or so.
> 2) there is a TON of space between the "control panel" area and some stuff
> on the bottom of the page.m Ah. I see that it is caused by the "Full
> Options Mode" layers pushing down stuff to the bottom of the page. That
> could be cleaned up a bit.
Yes, and I'm not sure how to fix that without absolutely positioning
everything. When we get our act together regarding the javascript we
are using, we may shrink the pages to height:1px while they are
invisible, then return them to height:auto when they are visible. For
now, we are too disorganized to do that.
> 3) Indicate clearly which "mode" you are currently in. "You are using
> simple mode" or something like that. If "Full options" mode was chosen, it
> should *stay* chosen when you navigate back to the control panel page.
>
> 4) The "position:absolute" for the nav menu does not work well when the
> browser is resized to a small size. everything goes "under" the menu.
>
> 5) Make sure you test your designs to work on multiple platforms. Don't
> just target MSIE (I'm not saying that you did.)
>
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