Re: Php / Java grids .NET grids


"shimmyshack" <matt.farey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mar 30, 5:43 pm, "Ben" <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
General question for the group. I have a friend who claims that PHP/Java
grids can't touch .NET with respect to dev time, reliability and speed.
I'm
not in a position to debate but would like to know the thoughts given the
following requirements:

- Grid will handle 1,000 row, 25 columns record sets on a regular basis

- Multiple users hitting same data set so automatic refreshes will need
to
occur frequently, 10 second intervals for example, and a clean/fast
repaint
is key.

- Maybe of less significance but drag n drop is required.

Don't want to debate the requirements themselves, they are what they are.
But if you had to choose PHP/Java vs .NET (ASP/VB) to develop said grid,
which is "better" and why? The back end DB for both scenarios will be
either SQL, MySQL or Oracle, client choice and don't want to debate
offering
a choice of the DB solutions either please.

TYIA for any thoughts.

=B

What you are /really/ asking is whether php can provide fast access to
the database. The rest of it, the grid (html table markup) repainting
(rendering) drag and drop (javascript) mtuliple users (server) doesn't
have much to do with php.
But you should know IIRC php offloads its maths and various other
things onto native C libraries, so I can't see that .NET will have any
improvement whatsoever it the speed of execution. (.NET surely
compiles to byte code which is then executed in M$'s runtime env)
As to the rest, the only thing which you have control over are the
server and javascript, chances are the opensource libraries for drag
drop and other functionality will be WAY better than anything M$ can
possibly offer. It, as a company has a woeful record of client jscript
- even the postback was broken for ages!) it is slow to respond to
obvious advances, whereas opencourse can be tweaked and improved daily
and frequently is, so you can pair your library right down and if all
you need is drag and drop you can optimise it for that.
As for server setup, I guess you are talking php on IIS, so fast_cgi
benchmarks are what you want, I read somewhere that this compares very
well.
But this will always come down to opinion, he has never used a well
setup Linux version probably, and doesnt understand the underlying
technologies well enough to be the judge of any of this. He is just
religious about .NET because he knows he can "drag and drop" forms and
so on, and "ajaxify" his code with a few clicks, great - his focus is
on speedy coding so he can spend his big bucks on a new gadget, and
let someone else worry about matters of security and professionalism,
and tight code. Not my persaonl idea of what a professional programmer
should be.


This is exactly the type of response I was looking for. My *current*
ignorance prevents a rebuttal based on experience so I just listen. He
actually said, "Well in ten years no one knows if PHP and Java will still be
around but we know M$ will be there." and. "Look at the added development
cost of PHP/Java, I could knock this grid out in two hours with M$ and spent
a day with this and have nothing." Problem is he's got influence and I
totally disagree with the direction....so...plan is to build a working
proto-type in PHP/Java/MySQL. So I need to get busy, lack of experience
doesn't scare me and I can always fall back on groups.

As previously posted I'm a noob to web apps but do have 17 years experience
coding, from PAL, Clipper/Xbase and VFP with some mapping sprinkled in for
good measure. My primary VFP app is basically a html string generator from
very diverse data sources ranging from Unix/Ingress, DbaseIII to SQL. VFP
is the data engine and parses data and writes strings at supersonic speeds.
So for a "no interaction" web pages generator it was smokin. All output is
to *tight* html files (generated by optimized code not report writer) strung
together to create a web-report archive and (dont laugh) all from funcs I
developed that are fast fast fast.....but the day has come for a true
interactive web app which requires me to go outside my little box and dive
in. I like PHP, the PHP community, have followed for years but no time to
jump in....and from a business perspective, M$ has no cost benefit that I
can see. Maybe faster dev of half-assed apps but when you look at total
cost....no brainer I think.

Anyway, thanks again.

=B


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