Re: Post with redirect?

Steve wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:f5-dnSJsesL3_PvanZ2dnUVZ_oGjnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Steve wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:7OednUi2zIWvRvjanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Steve wrote:
I have posted a solution. I told him to use Javascript and pointed him to the correct place to find it.
that's no solution. that's passing the buck.

It is a solution appropriate to this newsgroup.
you made it about javascript, not the op...you. i've suggested a way to do it in php. another has suggested just handling in with standard html. for some reason, you think js is the best way to go. whatever.

Exactly. He wanted a way to redirect a port with data to an external site and I gave it to him. And yes, it is the better way to go - it doesn't require the user to make an unnecessary click (which he/she may or may not do).

you meant 'post' not 'port'...right. all i saw you give him was comp.lang.php. i don't see where any unnecessary clicking would occur. explain in real terms.


Yes, wasn't careful with my spell checker and it changed to the wrong word.

Yes, the post you refer to said to put the data in hidden fields on a form with a submit button. Then force the user to click on the button.

But you couldn't understand that simple concept?

So far you haven't shown us how do to it in PHP.

i've given a way to post the items from the host server to the 3rd party server. it's as simple as giving them a 'check out' button on a form, posting certain inputs, with the 3rd party server as the target. not rocket science. no real extra clicking going on there jer. and it doesn't upset the natural order of the universe either.


Which requires an additional button click. And you still haven't showed us how to do a redirect with post values in PHP. Like you've claimed multiple times can be done.

But YOU MADE THE CLAIM - I DIDN'T. So it's up to YOU TO POST THE CODE.
i made no claim other than you can use just php to get the job done. you don't need redirection either. i posted sample code and a fairly complete description of the approach. i owe no one here more than that.

You owe him a lot more than that. Your sample code doesn't do ***. And your "fairly complete description of the approach" is even worse.
i don't owe anyone anything. sample code shows a way to post data to an external source. he could parse the response, and never have to do a redirect. and given your proposals, do you think i care what your opinion is, jer?

ROFLMAO! Backpedaling again, huh, T.R.O.L.L.? We know you can't do it, so that's no surprise.

whatever, jer. you are a projectionist-extrodenair.


Yep, you're backpedaling again, Steve. And that's all you can come up with? ROFLMAO!

So now you're backpeddling and we know you can't support your claims.
your claim, not mine. i see you're back to building strawmen.

Nope. I never claimed you could. But you did, and still haven't shown us how to do it.

i've given a great start. the op can build on it.


What you gave him is a steering wheel and told him to build a car. Let's see YOU finish the job!

Come on, T.R.O.L.L. Your weak attempts to defect the attention from your claims doesn't work.

i wonder if you had a boat, would your trolling be easier? and i'm sure you mean 'deflect'...people's attention probably don't want to desert, and i don't consider their attention to be flawed either...just yours.


Sorry, you're the T.R.O.L.L., Stevie.

you'd probably be better off with 'divert'. it is what you're most familiar with, in both verbage and action. lol.


ROFLMAO. From the expert himself. Full of projections today, aren't you, Stevie. But that's what a S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. like you does when you can't find someone else to write code you can claim as your own.

But you can't, S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. Because you cant find anyone to write it for you, and you're incapable of doing it yourself.

So you're just trying to backpeddle and get others to write the code for you, just like you always do.
doesn't mean i can't. and, i don't backpeddle. you've shown yourself the master at that.

You are backpeddling, troll. And no, you can't do it.
whatever trolling strawman.

ROFLMAO! Can't back up your claims, T.R.O.L.L.? Backpedaling again?

No surprise here.

strawmen still, jer? trolling again? argumentum ad-nausium.


Nope, you can't back up your claims. I knew it, and your backpedaling proves it.

OTOH, I've done no backpeddling. I have supported every claim I have made. Unlike you.
ROFLMFAO !!! aside from your constant demonstration of backpeddling in this thread, you've completely dropped two others where i've shown you to be a bafoon.

Not at all. I have not made the claims you have, and everyone reading this thread can see it.

oh no, you've said it can't be done in php, said it was theoretically possible using curl (a *PHP* extension...mooting your first claim), then you claimed it can only be done using javascript. three people have shown you wrong now, not just me. further, if i wanted to split hairs, *any* client-side scripting language could be used for what you propose. so, on two counts you unnecessarily usher the op away at your convenience to comp.lang.javascript.


Nope, I never said you could redirect with post values in cURL. You're the only one who's claimed that can be done. And you still haven't shown how it can be done in PHP. If you have, please show me where.

And I'm not talking about faking it with a submit button. Let's see you do it transparently - like redirects are done.

still waiting for you to find out who i am. and how using a .223 in any rifle capable of firing a .223 changes the model of rifle doing the firing. that is analogous to cgi + commandline. remember that? any of it?

I didn't say I wanted to find out who you are, T.R.O.L.L. It isn't worth my time to try to find a liar and a user - like you do to the poor people in your church. So desperate for acceptance. It's a shame.

nor did i say that either, strawman builder. i said you claim to be able to, yet don't seem to be able to. again, when asked for proof, you either want payment or say it's a waste of time. if that answer is valid for you, then if i say i've given the op enough to go on, it doesn't mean i couldn't program the whole solution. see how that works.


Nope. You aren't as anonymous as you think. All trolls like you think you can hide behind some pseudonym and no one can find you. It can be done. But you're not worth the trouble. And quite frankly, I really don't give a damn about another burger-flipper who claims to be a programmer. You've already proven you aren't.

coward.

You're trying to remain anonymous, and you call ME a coward? ROFLMAO. That's you projecting again. You're so afraid that someone here will find how sorry your real life is. And you're also afraid we will find out you're not a programmer with 25 years of experience.

according to you, my identity is easily had. so why would it matter whether one posts anonymously or in any other fashion? apparently, you think my life is sad and that i can't program...much less for 25 years. your thoughts seem to be all you need in order for you to think you're right. your insults obviously have had no effect on me. so, how is it that you figure i'm afraid?


Yep, your life is sad. And you can't program. You, of course, could easily prove me wrong. But the fact you don't is a strong indication I am right.

S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L.

you're just providing argumentum adnausium.

And you're just backpedaling again. And by the way - it's AD NAUSEUM. Two words, no 'i'.

note both the 'e' and 'i' are accessed using the middle finger. since i'm sure that is a digit with which you are wholly familiar in receiving, you'll be able to understand a type-o so easily made. lol.


Right. So much so that you did it again this time? ROFLMAO. And you must be very familiar with the middle finger. Do you give it to those you use at your church also, when their backs are turned?

YOU MADE THE CLAIM. NOT ME. IT'S UP TO YOU TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM. NOT ME.
quote me, jerry. i think you think what i said and what you think i claim are vastly different. it wouldn't be the first time we've seen you ignore the obvious and substitute reality with delution.

OK, since you're memory is so short, and you seem to be too illiterate to read you, yourself, wrote, here's your quote:

"don't let the misinformation fool you. it can be done with php. the only thing jerry got right is that it would be a lot of work. what jerry also mistakenly forgets is that just about anything you can do with curl, you can do with native php functions...and in this case, the 'just about anything' you'd need to be able to do becomes 'anything'. jerry's 'curl could theoretically' argument then logically negates and invalidates his 'cant be done with php' claim. you're just in for a lot of work. however, it can be done. "

So, let's see you do the redirect in PHP. That's what we were talking about, after all."
'it' would be the operative here, jer. 'it' is solving the op's problem...not assuming/adopting his suggested approach. 'it' is posting data and getting a response back from an external server and handling the results...no need to redirect.

"It" is providing a redirect with post. That's what he asked for. Let's see you provide it. The entire PHP world is waiting for you to show us how it can be done. In fact, I'll bet even the guys at Zend are waiting for the S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. to prove his claim.

again, noobile, people value experienced answers...not just getting their delimmas handled, especially when the question is non-standard. i listened to what his overall goal was and kept the solution within the realm of php and html. remember, he also did NOT want to exclude users because he felt forced to use js. you seemed to have not only avoided posting a solution of your own, you also send him headlong into comp.lang.javascript.


And once again, you haven't given him anything except a small piece to a very big problem. Then told him to figure out the rest on his own, because you are entirely incapable of it.

Why not give him the whole solution, T.R.O.L.L.? Because you can't, that's why. Prove I'm wrong and give it to him.

as for the rest of your garbage, you can build all the strawmen you'd like, and burn them as you will. more intelligent people won't be watching. have fun at the bon-fire.


ROFLMAO. You seem to be quite familiar with straw men. I guess you're projecting again.

Or, even if you try to do it your way. Let's see you provide a complete solution, not a piece of code you copied from someone else's tutorial.

listen, this is the final challenge on this little dig. if you think i plagurized code, PROOVE it. otherwise, no one cares; least of all, me.


Let's see you come up with something original, T.R.O.L.L. Like how to do a redirect with post values in PHP.

you provide *any* solution, jer. that'd be a great sign of good faith that you're not JUST trolling.


ROFLMAO. I listened to his needs, but I gave him the best solution for his problem. Unlike you, he can get a COMPLETE solution in the proper newsgroup. JavaScript doesn't belong here.

And BTW - it's one single JavaScript statement. But you don't know that, either.

<snippage>

if you want to continue with strawmen, ad-hom's, and trolling, i'll snip it out. you won't have much content left in your posts. in fact, any.


Please do. In fact, why not snip this entire group out. Then we have one less S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. to deal with.

We know you CAN'T. Because it requires intelligence and the capability to program. You didn't provide ***.

you're right, what i gave was not ***. thanks for agreeing...so venerable of you.


Nope. You provided less than ***.

You say the parsing is the only thing left out? OK, let's see that end, also. IOW, a complete solution.

IOW, any solution from you, in whole or part, and we'll know you're not just trolling.



I gave him better. I gave him direction to the appropriate place to get a solution. I don't post JavaScript code here. Just like I don't post PHP code in comp.lang.javascript.

<snipage>

trolling some more, jer?

are you really that daft?! i see evidence, i make an assessment in direct alignment with said evidence. you make wholly unqualified or otherwise unsupported claims simply because you think they ought to be true. par for the course, jer. anyone arguing with you is required to go without proof from you...unless as you say, they pay you for proof. seems that for you it is enough for something to be the way you want it, just because you want it, and because you say it is so.

ROFLMAO! I have made no unqualified or unsupported claims here. I've called a S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. just that. We know you can't write your own code.

saying i plagurize without proof is not only lying, it is an unsupported and unqualified claim. that make that whole rant, another trolling endeavor.


ROFLMAO. Nope, we know you copied it. Sure, you changed a couple of variable names so you can call it your own. But that's about it.

And as for your other claim - I don't RTFM to someone who's too lazy to do it themselves. If they want training, they can pay for it.

no, you claimed the kind of code in a script makes cgi, cli, or module regarless of the executable that runs it. foolish, and wrong. it wasn't till i made the rifle analogy that you suddenly dropped that thread. what's it going to take in this thread i wonder?


And you have no idea what the difference between CGI and CLI is, do you, T.R.O.L.L. But that goes right along wit the lack of intelligence you've shown all through this newsgroup.

But we know your claims are all just a bunch of hot air. But then we know you're a major contributor to global warming.

damn, troll-boi!


More hot air...

funny how your demands on me are so vastly different. lol !

Not at all. You made the claim it could be done. We're still waiting for you to show us how to do it.

then support the *many* claims you've made. i've been waiting on responses with proof on two different usenet groups in at least three threads between them. you have yet to produce. see any hypocracy there? any double-standard? of course not. when jerry stuckle says he's right, then by god, he's right...why triffle with proof at that point!


I've provided him with the means to find a solution. That is sufficient. And it's a hell of a lot more than you've done.

You're wrong. I care about people who are intelligent. I don't give a damn about trolls like Stevie and don't waste my time on them.
hmmmm...so you're saying i'm NOT a troll because you've NOT wasted THREE days on me posting all of your usual tripe?! and by consequence of your premise and your actions, you consider me intelligent. your lack of reason, or your illiteracy, has made you say the OPPOSITE of what you intend, jer. you should have just stopped at "you're wrong"...we all know that you can't prove you're right and that you aren't required to provide any yourself. we'd have just left it as "jerry being right because he says he's right".

I haven't wasted any time, troll Stevie. I'm having a lot of fun calling you on your lies and false claims. I consider a rock to have more intelligence than you do. At least a rock can be useful - as a door stop, for instance.

And you haven't done a thing to support your claims. That's because we know the S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. can't do it.

then your time is obviously not being used, knuckle-dragger. sorry to see that your claim of clients beating down your door for your instruction only leaves you with such vast quantities of time on your hands.


Oh, it's being used. I take breaks now and then, and this provides me with some laughs.

your words don't line up with your actions...and you seem devoid of being able to logic through anything...much less the statement you just made.

ROFLMAO! You're showing your ignorance again, Stevie.

hmmm, lemme help you out, oh iq-of-75-and-falling-boi.

jerry: i don't waste my time on trolls and i care about the intelligent.
jerry: i haven't wasted any time, troll stevie.


Nope, no wasted time. But lots of laughs.

tell me jerry, how do you recognize intelligent people? dude, if you don't feel you're wasting your time, then either i'm not a troll and you possibly care about me (cuz i'm smart)...or you just lied again...or you're illiterate...or you are just plain not-smart. either way, you don't win in the smarts catagory here.


Nope, neither. It's not a waste of time to get some humor in my life, even if it is from a S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. named Stevie.

as i concluded, and just explained, you seem devoid of being able to logic through anything...much less the statement (sad that you just restated it) you just made.


And your logic is pretty faulty. Like your programming abilities.

damn. i keep looking for a scapegoat so i can give you a way out and give you the benefit of the doubt...but, it seems you're just plain stupid...and trolling. that's why i presume your projecting when you say that of me at every turn. i'm obviously not either...must be projection. ever think of going into the silver screen?


Yep, at least you admit it now. You need a scapegoat because you can't supply what you said could be done.

The only conclusion related to you are that you are not a programmer. Your incompetence has shown that you have no abilities beyond that of copying other peoples' code and calling it your own.
again, two statements not in fact rather, assumptions you think are correct because you think they're correct. it's just getting sad now, jer.

If they're not a fact, then prove it. You're the S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. who is afraid people will find out who he is. You're also the one who can't back up his claims with code.

lol...this smacks of the gawd conversation again. lemme break it down...again.

jerry: you copied code
steve: not true, hypothesis rejected
jerry: prove it then

and...

jerry: god exists
steve: not true, hypothesis rejected
jerry: prove it then

you are in a definite pattern here, jerry. you have the burden of proof. if there is no logical reason to believe a claim, i.e. there is no proof to support said claim, then it is fine to reject it without further considersation.

both are your claims, not mine. i bear no responsibility in *dis*proving you.


ROFLMAO! The difference is I'm not trying to convince you God exists, nor have I ever. What you believe or don't believe religiously is entirely up to you.

But you're trying to convince a lot of people here you're a programmer.

But you're also too stoopid to see the difference.


And the fact you try to remain anonymous also proves that. If you really were a programmer, you wouldn't be afraid to post your real name.
actually, there are several here who have my email address and know who i am, for whom i work, etc.. the biggest logical fallacy above is that of confusing cause and effect. then again, at this point, i think you've filled the annals of demonstrated logical fallacy.

Yea, right, Stevie. Good try, from a sorry loser.

hmmm...where's shelly (sheldon glicker) been? we email all the time. i helped him get a job at my company. he's too busy these days. kinda blows several of your claims out of the water.


Yea, right, T.R.O.L.L. Find someone who's not around to defend himself. Another stoopid stevie-ism.


And finally, we already know you are so desperate for any level of acceptance by anyone that you will attend a church and lie to your fellow parishioners and tell them you believe in their God. But you have admitted you don't. That is one sorry-ass loser.
lol, red-herring lover.

Hey, you admitted it, loser.

jerry, jerry, jerry. post the quote so that everyone can share my understanding of the depth of your illiteracy. i said i go to church. i said i'm an atheist. i said i hope no one asks my beliefs - hint, such aprehension insinuates that i don't intend on hiding my atheistic views. i said i go for my kids.


Lies are not just words, they are also actions. And your actions lie.

beyond that, what exactly do you think i've admitted?


You're misleading people to think you believe in God. That in itself is a lie.

i don't tell them i believe in god. i just hope they don't ask. they've no reason to anyway. my character and actions are consistent and charitable. i blend right in even though i'm an atheist. if they ask, i'll tell them. no big deal. and, it's not about acceptance...it's about socialization skills that i want my children to learn. church is a great place to not only pick up those skills, but to use them as well.

Yea, right. You lie by actions and omission. You're a liar and a loser.

oh, so you're saying that atheists don't act morally...or if someone does act morally, they are a christian? perhaps you're right...if ONLY one acts with this adjective slipped in: morally SUPERIOR. and omission is not a lie when there is no thought of a question coming up. unless you meet everyone like this: "hi, my name is jerry stuckle. i'm gay and a complete ***...good to meet you." over time, people will come to know all of that about you...and by then, they'll have invested enough in you to care whether any of that matters - if they even have to ask at that point. get the picture?


I'm saying YOU don't act morally. I said nothing about anyone else.

But it's also not a surprise. You've proven you have no morals.

And you have no socializing skills, or you wouldn't have to lie to your fellow parishioners to find some semblance of acceptance from anyone.

really? you've found out who i am even though i seem to be highly anonymous here? and, you know who i am enough to know my relationships with others? carnack the great is at work again!


Yep, I've seen your type before - and I'm not the only one here. I don't need to know WHO you are. But I know WHAT you are.

and on the same side of the coin, jerry. do you actually blend into your church body? is this how christians act? remember, i am not under any moral obligations save social graces. your religion on the other hand, requires much better behavior than what you show.

ROFLMAO! I blend in fine with my church body. And we have no problem with calling a S.T.O.O.P.I.D. T.R.O.L.L. just that. So don't even try to tell me what my religion requires. You have no understanding at all of it.

sure do, i grew up in the church. i went to christian universities. we had chapel 3 times a week...mandatory. religion, theology, and philosophy at the 300 level were MANDATORY. to say i more than a cursory understanding of not only christianity but of MOST world religious and viewpoints would be a vaaaaasssst understatement. i know very well what your religion requires. and, it resemembles NOTHING of the behavior you show here.


So now you're an expert on all of the worlds major religions, also, Stevie? ROFLMAO. You don't know anything more about my religion than you do about programming. I'd say you know less, but that's not possible.

by saying you blen in fine, i can only assume birds-of-a-feather...your enitre church must be assholes by association...that, or they make you feel at home and pray for your behavior. they must be adept enough so that they make you feel like they and you are the same in those respects.


ROFLMAO!

But a liar like you would be thrown out of our church so fast your head would spin. We don't put up with heretics.

uhmmm, hello! lying and herecy are two mutually exclusive things, numbnuts. as everyone lies and most of the civilized world attends religious ceremonies without such floggings, you seem to be wrong. even still, unless one is catholic or islamic, herecy is fine as long as you are violent or otherwise disruptive.


ROFLMAO! And it's HERESY, not HERESY.

sorry, did you have a point to make here?


More of a point than you had, obviously.

<more verbose trolling snippage>

Just as you claim you are a programmer, it's up to you to prove you are.

jerry: steve is not a programmer
steve: yes, i am. hypothesis rejected
jerry: proove it

you only catch half-logic. try running the gammut. you claim i'm not, it's up to you to prove it. i simply reject your claim. not only on lack of proof, but first hand knowledge that i do in fact work as a programmer and have been for quite some time.


You claim you're a programmer. Prove it, troll.

But I know that's too deep for someone of your limited intelligence.

projecting again. you're not even a good troll.


Yes, you are, Stevie.

sorry jerry, that logic fails you! you made the original claim that i am not a programmer. it's up to YOU to prove your point. i merely refuse your claim. dense, dense, dense, jerry. go back to school and take some logic courses or something.

Nope, we all know you aren't a programmer. I don't need to prove anything.

why are we not surprised. jerry makes a claim and only offers his standard "i don't need to prove anything". you're laughable.


You made the claim you're a programmer. I challenged it. You prove it.

Of course, if you were a programmer, you could prove it. But you can't because you aren't.

you assume that you are worth me proving it to. don't give yourself such credit.


Gee, another Stevie-troll-ism. You can't prove it.

And you are the one who needs some logic courses.

really? i've had them and it shows. you can't even figure out when you've given me a compliment when aiming for an insult...all because of your illogical mind.


If you've had logic courses, it you must have flunked them. Or is that something else you're an expert in?

Next are you going to tell us you've created a Grand Unified Field Theory? ROFLMAO!

More likely you flip burgers at McDonalds. Or you wouldn't be afraid to hide your identity.
lots of freaks out there, jerry. you should know. you've now been moved into my usenet kook book, btw. you're under the 'troll with projection issues' category.

Yes, you always did project your problems on someone else, loser.
lol. is this all you've got, jerry?

The truth requires nothing else, loser.

getting religious on me again?


Nope. Just the facts.

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my fingers are wearing thin. and nothing snipped was anything new. you think i'm this or that...and i just don't care jerry.




Then your fingers are finally matching your brain, troll.

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