Re: A Lot of Questions from a Noob

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:14:36 +0200, Erwin Moller
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zagman schreef:
On Jun 18, 11:32 am, Mason Barge <masonba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I retired early and took about a year to learn html/xhtml, css, php,
and MySQL. (I've picked up some smattering of some other things, like
Apache, javascript, regex, XML, etc.) I reached the level of
competence in procedural PHP/MySQL and can do most anything inside
those limits.

I had to take a year off due to family issues and traveling. When I
stopped, here is one of the pages (for my little neighborhood ass'n) I
was working on -- it's a database-generated page with modularized
articles:

http://collierhills.net/index.php

Yeah, I realize this is a bit primitive compared to some of the slick
sites you guys do :) Graphic design is not my strong point.

My goal is to build pages for small nonprofit organizations that
couldn't afford a professional service, either for free or for
whatever revenue I can generate from advertising. I'm capable of
doing that now, but I have two big problems.

#1 I need to set these up so that they can be updated and operated by
people who don't know html. I'm currently working on integrating
TinyMCE into the administrative area of the page above, which I hope
will work.

#2 I need to decide whether to learn and use OOP and/or some sort of
framework.

My question is about #2.

I have time and inclination to learn a new language or system
(framework, environment, etc.). My question is: Given my
circumstances, which of these do you think would be the most useful?

1. PERL
2. Ruby on Rails
3. PHP OOP
4. javascript
5. fundamental XML (XSLT, XPath, etc. -- I know the basics of
DTD/schema/namespace.)
6. SOAP
7. Ajax
8. Smarty
9. Zend (isn't this expensive? I'm looking for open source or at
least cheap)
10. Yii
11. Dude! Learn some graphic design, that page is plug ugly
12. A programming language (C, C with some number of plusses, Java).
13. .net
14. Something else.

A lot of these, I really don't even understand what they are and how
they work, e.g. Ruby, PERL, Zend, SOAP. The definitions just leave me
dazed & confused. This is simply overwhelming for someone who doesn't
have years of professional experience and/or a BA/BS in the field.

I have done a little OOP stuff, but so far it seems like a waste of
time and effort. On the other hand, I will probably want to reuse a
lot of code and build some similar sites, and I have heard many times
that OOP is critical; is copying and pasting procedural code going to
become a nightmare at some point?

I don't anticipate any collaborative work.

Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated. Pretend I'm a
reasonably bright guy without any programming background.

Hi

Nice page nothing wrong with being simple !

Only use javascript if you have to(security issues).

Why is that?


keep away from ASP (not everyone uses IE)

ASP is a serverside solution.
It sends HTML back to the client.
If that client is IE, Firefox, or Lynx is of not importance.

I agree to stay away from ASP, but your reason is wrong. ;-)

ASP is one thing I know about. I wouldn't learn it unless I was
planning to seek a job with a large corporation that used it as a
legacy language.


Personally I like PHP and/or Perl

PHP is much easier to learn/read than Perl. ;-)

How about Pear?

You know, although I did intend to include Perl in the list (although
I'm already dissuaded from learning it), I was more interested in Pear
-- which I know is a very different thing, being basically a library
for PHP. But the names are similar :)

I use PCRE Regex, so I guess I'm already slightly involved with it.

At least I didn't ask about "Pearl", which I have seen.:)

Thanks for the help.
.

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