Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] PHP Developer Required]

On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 14:28 -0400, Greg Gay wrote:
Rob/mlists

You're certainly not encouraging PHP programmers to get involved with
paid open source projects. That's a guaranteed $50,000 a yr, a little
low perhaps by industry standards, but it is a reasonable starting rate,
and gets your foot in the door.

You should have a look at who the employer is, and what they do. They
(we) are
looking for a person who has done their research. This is more than
just a job. It has the potential to introduce applicants to a world of
experience, not just code crunching, but getting involved with the
groups who introduce new technologies and working on leading edge
projects (groups like the W3C, IMS, ISO, AICC, and many others) .
Experiences you won't get as a programmer for your average software
developer. The ATRC is involved with most standards bodies around the
world, and has dozen of open source projects on the go.

Becoming university staff takes a couple years, after which salaries are
competivitive with the going rates. Not to mention a full set of
benefits, pension, excellent working environment, including flexible
working hours, travel benefits, free university course (get a masters or
phd for nothing) etc. Most staff start on a casual/contract basis before
being moved into the main stream. Our established programmers do earn in
the 90-100G per year, with benefits on top of that. All included, that's
somewhere in the $60/hr range, with $0 expenses.

You're auto machanic btw, has overhead included in that rate, so that's
a rather poor comparison. How much do you think he really makes an hour,
after paying expenses out of that $99? And of course 4% isn't a bonus.
Contract workers are paid that weekly, while staff accumulate it so they
can take holidays and get paid.

See, now that's a much better job post. Although it's still $25/hr after
5 years of experience on a contract basis with no guarantee of future
contracts with good performance. As a contractor one generally charges
more to cover the dry times, self-development, dental, prescriptions,
retirement, etc, etc. It's not about being greedy, well not for me
anyways, it's about covering one's ass in the present and in the future.
Have you ever seen the way it usually works in government and any other
large businesses... contractors earn more per hour than the regular
employees, that's because they need to. Contractors often can't just
jump onto any job with stars in their eyes hoping to get a hold of a
"maybe" brass ring several years down the road.

Cheers,
Rob.
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