Re: Moderating and netiquet whiners hurting interest in Perl

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> Hi John;
>
> [---]
>
>> So you do indeed know little about Usenet. There is no way Google can
>> *own* Usenet. Already people ploink messages that come via Google. As
>> soon as Google thinks it *owns* Usenet, it will get an UDP.
>
> You missed my apology just 30 seconds after I Posted this stmt-

Yup, Usenet :-)

> owns the Deja archive, which is the largest commercial archive of
> Usenet postings. As for killfiling, sure- you can KF me from here to
> Xmas, but something tells me you're not that kind of person

Yup, true. I use the kill file very rarely, and only for hard cases, or
weekly FAQ postings I already can dream.

> (something about that pub-analogy we talked about made me want to
> make a screwdriver :). And BTW- your website seems to have quite a
> lot of Google-related goodies,,, so I very much doubt you *seriously*
> believe what you're posting here about Google :)

That if Google is going to mess up Usenet it will get an UDP? I am sure
about that. The thing is, Usenet works thanks to many newsmasters, and
every newsmaster is the sole authority on his newsserver. If Google
starts to mess up *their* server, Google will be rejected from it.

>> > And as others have said, you are *not* doing the language a favor
>> > by crapping on every person (or even select persons) for posting
>> > silly questions,
>>
>> They do the language even less favor, so crap ahead, please.
>>
> That is utter, unmitigated rubbish and you *know* it, John. Perl is
> the language that started Yahoo and eBay, and free shopping carts and
> eCommerce; Everyone starts *somewhere*- and Perl is the best "glue"
> language in the world... If your precious "misc" NG is so precious
> that you only want "Perl" questions (and nothing about what it's
> actually used for), then *moderate* it and stop bitching and moaning.

I don't like moderating nor moderated groups. A group should find its
balance out of itself.

>> > and *that* bothers me, especially in an environment with
>> > people choosing VB-like alternatives because Perl programmers are
>> > "considered weird".
>>
>> I don't care what language they choose.
>
> ...well, I think that's just a nihlist remark for you to make some
> silly point to me... You are a *professional* Perl free-lance
> programmer; yet you *don't care* what other programmers (sic;
> business opportunities) are programming in????

No, why should I? Most of my customers can't program, or if they can,
they don't have the time. You think they are first hanging out here,
hoping to learn the language by asking and asking and asking questions
they can answer in 1 day if they took the time to read a book?

People who come here for free rides (e.g. I found this CGI script, and
please rewrite it according to the following specs) I even *don't* want
as a customer.

> My first inclination
> is to think Not much of a professional we have here- eh? :-)

If you think you can make a living of people who want their scripts
fixed for free, go ahead.

>> VB is a different language
>> and
>> certainly not a replacement of Perl. And of course a different
>> culture. If I learn VB, I have to stick to that culture.
>
> ...And that classifies as a boneheaded remark;
>
> Thousands of real-world Win32::OLE Perl scripts run everyday that run
> the entire MS Office suite, and thousands more Microsoft COM-based
> 3rd-party tools as automation servers- My personal fave is Crystal
> Reports (Runs a good 10X faster in Perl instead of VB). Any good
> programmer (yes, that's you) knows it's *not* about "culture", but
> solution delivery.

Does this make Perl a *replacement* of VB (or vice versa): no.

A programming language gathers a culture. What do you not understand? If
you pick 100 VB programmers and pick 100 Perl programmers you *will* see
a difference.

If you still don't get this, learn 2 or 3 programming languages.

> And BTW-
> I've personally used info that you've published on your website (quite
> recently) that contradict this last statement of yours,

Now I am curious :-)

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