Re: A Problem With GD



Tad McClellan wrote:


That's how Usenet works. Stuff is posted, then it is commented on.

Usually - yes. But not in this case. I did not post originally because I just wanted to talk to someone away from Usenet.


There is no requirement that the comment correspond with what
the poster wants to be commented on.

Maybe the resulting discussion addresses the OP's problem,
or maybe it doesn't.

And in this case - it doesn't.


The newsgroup does not exist to serve you, it exists to serve
the community.

Didn't ask it to do so.

Being disingenuous like that weakens your argument.

It is not being disingenuous. What I mean by test code is that it is just an example snippet of code. Something I threw together in about five minutes. The entire program is very large, it does use strict et al but I just slapped something together because Mr. Unur seemed so insistent about it.

So then Mr. Unur starts saying "You should do X and Y and Z!" and I'm like "What the @#$%$?" First you slap me because I don't post anything and now you're slapping me because I did?

In retrospect, I probably should have just e-mailed the person with whom I talked with shortly after about the third go-round with Mr. Unur. It would have made things a lot easier for everyone involved.


Observing the basics such as pragmas and indenting is hardly
super-duperizing things.

But it _was_ indented on my end. It has been so long since I last posted to Usenet that I'd forgotten how Netscape would wrap things. Mr. Unur jumped on me for bad indentation and for having comments that wrapped. He ASSUMED that it was me that did it whereas I had no idea that Netscape had done this.

Errr, yes, we could all tell.

Obviously not. Otherwise - why all of the fuss? When I used to be very active on Usenet, helping people, I never gave such things a second thought and only focused on the problem itself. That was a while ago and obviously things have changed quite a bit.

Gee, I don't know...

Do you think maybe it was because it was just some thrown together code?

Duh!

Yes. And that is my point exactly. If that is the code given, then instead of putting the person down for having done it you should just answer the question and go on. Instead of making statements like you just made. You are putting me down because I'm being myself and not you. I guess your mom never taught you the basics of kindness and consideration - did she?


If you are not willing to invest a little bit in making it
easier to help you solve your problem, then it is unreasonable to expect volunteers to invest in it.

No. It is unreasonable for volunteers to try to force their view on the rest of the world. Do you truly believe that anyone wants to post here and get the response you are giving me? Listen to yourself. If the only reason you are doing and saying the things you are is because you are there and I am here. If you were to do/say these things to - say - your mom. Would she like what you are saying? What about your boss? If you went up to your boss and told him the way he dresses is tacky that his management style sucked - do you think you would have a job? Does just because you are "volunteering" make it ok to do this?


Mr. Unur focused on solving _that_ problem, which would help
you with getting answers both now and in the future.

He was being meta-helpful, that is, helping with an issue
bigger than the issue that brought you here.

Not really.

This newsgroup is NOT A HELP DESK!

You are mis-quoting. I did not say it WAS a help desk. I said IF it was a help desk. That is what this is like. It is NOT a help desk per se. But, other than the obnoxiousness you have to put up with, it does act a lot like a help desk.


The social dynamic is very different from a help desk.

By "social dynamic" I take it to mean it's more like a gang meeting where the toughest acting person gets their way? Oh yeah. I can see that.

Here's where the problem is:

You think that newsgroups are help desks.

No. I think it should be populated with people who want to help others (That is what you are saying you do isn't it?) without all of the other excess baggage. Offer suggestions - yes. Tell the person they suck at programming because they just did an example program - no.

That is a bizarre statement.

This society (newsgroup) has rules about what is socially acceptable.

It is *you* who are acting as if you own Usenet by flat-out
refusing to do things in a socially acceptable manner, and
attempting to change all of us to conform to "your way".

Ah! The "you must conform" statement again. Beehive mentality. The drones are all working away in the same manner. Poor little old me. I've disrupted the hive and now the bees are all angry. It really is too bad that you can't have something out of the ordinary come at you. Must really suck to not be able to handle this. I'd hate to be working with you. Brrrrrrrrr.... way to ridge.


That is why there are several folks on one side of this issue
an just one person on the other side.

Just because every else jumps over a cliff doesn't mean that I should do so also.


It is easier to join us than to fight us.

Just format code for human consumption, and ask the machine for
help before asking hundreds of live humans for help. It isn't
much to ask.

I didn't ask for help. When I have (The last time was like (OMG!) almost ten years ago! Damn! Hadn't even thought about that!) asked for help I clearly stated "I need help" or it might have been "Can someone help me please?" When I ask - I ask. There was no asking this time.

That is the over inflated ego that everyone else in this
thread is talking about.

Yes, I know. But that's only because they are not thinking about it.

That is the over inflated ego that everyone else in this
thread is talking about.

No - it is me asserting my right to do as I please. Within boundaries of course. Can't go robbing banks and such. Again, this is a "you must conform" statement. You should go re-read my original post. Do you see any code there? Do you see me saying "I need help" or "Can someone help me?" No. I was trying to get in contact with someone and I thought it would attract their attention. I was wrong - it didn't. But it did get someone to send me an e-mail and I did pass along what I had wanted to pass along.


If you take cuts in line, then don't whine when someone
calls you on it.

Eh? Can you maybe explain this?

It is a response to your "I own Usenet!" attitude.

Try acting like a member of a society, and see if the society's
reaction isn't different.

Ah yes. The pot calling the kettle black.

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