Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad

"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

Sherman Pendley wrote:
"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
Sherman Pendley wrote:

First you claim that a particular OS may have problems,

I never made any such claim.

Your own words, directly copied and pasted:

"While it is common to use ASCII mode one should still take care, as
this isn't always guarenteed to work. There used (still are?) issues
with this when uploading to MacOS based servers, for example."

Yes, as I have run into such issues in the past. I'm still not sure why
you are turning a simple comment into a federal investigation.

I asked you a simple question - "Such as?" What's so unreasonable
about that question? Why are you dodging it? If you know of a specific
problem with Mac FTP servers, just say so - I use a Mac every day and
I'd love to know about it.

Do you? Then why did you - again, your own words - "attribute the
problem likely was the server wasn't properly telling the client what
sort of platform it was"?

Christ, it was a guess.

Then why didn't you say so? Why are you trying to pass off a guess as
knowledgable advice?

half-foot tall ant hill? This is not simple fact hunting on your part,
it is some obsession of yours where it seems you wont stop until I'm
politely kissing your shoes. News flash: no one likes being talked to,
and it's certainly not a way to make someone see your view.

I don't care what you kiss or what you like. I'm correcting nonsense
for the sake of those who might otherwise believe it. Can you cite one
shred of *logical*, *fact-based* evidence that FTP problems are more
common on Mac servers than on others, or can't you?

Or, to put it in Wiki terms - [citation needed].

If you actually knew how FTP works, at the protocol level, you would
know that no server ever tells the client that. It doesn't need to -
both client and server transforms the text to and from its native
format to ASCII with \r\n for transport. Neither one needs to know or
care about the native format of the other.

I never claimed to know how every inch and cm of the FTP protocol, so
why are you making this assertion?

Because you claimed to have accurately diagnosed a problem with an
FTP server. Without a protocol-level understanding of FTP, such a
claim is pretty hard to swallow.

Why are you so obsessed with this?

What's with the armchair psychology? We're having a discussion. It's
not a federal case, WWIII, or an obsession. Why are you trying to
paint me as a lunatic - are you trying to distract from the fact that
you have no evidence whatsoever to support your assertion?

I have been there too, and in many other situations on various
platforms. Just because you haven't seen a particular issue doesn't mean
it doesn't exist. At least one other poster here has pointed out problem
with a particular client that incorrectly converted EOLs, and I've seen
many other EOL conversion issues.

Nice straw man. I'm not denying that there can be "issues"; what I'm
denying is your assertion that they're more common when the server is
running on a Mac.

I *am* being civil. I'm simply correcting misinformation; if your
feelings are hurt in the process, that's your problem. If you can't
stand being corrected, check your facts before posting.

What misinformation? What correction? I stated a comment based on my own
experience, and you want to tell me I didn't see what I did in fact
see?

I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that you misinterpreted what
you saw, and arrived at an incorrect diagnoses of the problem.

What makes you so qualified to tell me what my own experiences are?

What makes you unable to have a civil conversation without indulging
in armchair psychology, ad homenem attacks, and straw man arguments?

If you have a logical argument that Mac FTP servers are more prone to
issues than others, and evidence to support it, then I'd really like
to hear it. Seriously! Otherwise this thread is going nowhere, and I'm
done with it.

sherm--

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