Re: ANN Tloona 1.3.0 released

On Apr 20, 10:23 am, EL <eckhardnos...@xxxxxx> wrote:
vit...@xxxxxxxxx schrieb:

I am up to my ears in my own projects. :)

Me too, that's why the progress is so slow :).

I am wondering what you have planned to accomplish with this
application? So far it seems to be repeating something that has
already been done by others.

So far I have not found any IDE that supports Tcl, Itcl and XOTcl at the
same time /and/ runs as smoothly and platform independent like Tloona.

Tloona does this, and also provides the building blocks to create your
own GUI apps through the tmw ("tile megawidget") library which is part
of it.
For Tloona 2, I am planning a "plugin" system, that let's you extend
Tloona with your own functionality at runtime, plus a basic platform
that can be used to get your own, extensible GUI applications up and
running in minutes. This is pretty much what Eclipse does for Java,
Tloona is supposed to do it for Tcl and Tk.

Many people here have said that it just repeats something that is
already there. I don't care. There is no IDE like Tloona, as far as I
know - the closest one is Eclipse DLTK, which starts to become a good
editor for XOTcl, but not for Itcl. Also one must get used to the way
how classes and packages are organized in listboxes (like in XotclIDE),
which is not the way I like it. DLTK is not a /platform/ for your own
applications either, as Tloona is (or will be).

Many people will probably say that for Tk, they don't need such a thing
like Eclipse... for one or the other reason. I don't care. I love it
(although I just use it sometimes in my spare time at the moment), and I
think that others - especially Tcl newcomers - would love it too. It's
great for getting things done. And it has been a great help for me
already in work related projects.

--
Eckhard

I certainly can understand that. Sometimes it is easier, faster and
better to start something from scratch than try to figure out
somebody's else code and modify it to work the way you see it should
work. I've had the same problem with Tcl's web servers. I wanted
completely modular, based on XOTcl small web server but the servers
that I found just took too much time figuring out and trying to modify
to my model. Or, there is a complete lack of understandable
documentation. So I started my own server project, which I understand
by heart, it is modular and I can tweak it anyway I want.

Another direction that I think where I think Tcl should gain more
ground is Web based AJAX UI library -- webdgets, as I like to call
it. :) I wish that somebody who has done a lot of widget programming
would do that. I have to learn everything from the beginning. But
right now it doesn't look like anybody is doing it, so I am slowly
moving in that direction.

With Web based UI there would not be a problem with cross-platform
printing, compatibility problems etc. I may underestimate the
complexity of the project though, since it doesn't look like anybody
is willing to do it.

---Victor
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Relevant Pages

  • ANNOUNCE: Tloona 1.2 and http://tloona.sourceforge.net/
    ... My special New Years present to the Tcl community: A new release of Tloona... ... Instead of running Tloona via a threaded tclkit, you can now use a threaded Tcl installation ... * copy the files from tloona.vfs/itk_files/ into the Itk installation directory of teacup. ...
    (comp.lang.tcl)
  • Re: ANN Tloona 1.3.0 released
    ... So far it seems to be repeating something that has ... Tloona does this, and also provides the building blocks to create your own GUI apps through the tmw library which is part of it. ... There is no IDE like Tloona, as far as I know - the closest one is Eclipse DLTK, which starts to become a good editor for XOTcl, but not for Itcl. ...
    (comp.lang.tcl)